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1ofus
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| 12/01/2006 9:59 PM |
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Jon,
A question, you do not mention anything about restructuring the Chapters structure. Was this discussed?
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datruss
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| 12/02/2006 1:36 AM |
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A very impressive approach that seems well thought out. Many of my 'concerns' have been addressed and I am sure that this is a giant leap forward.
The only 'kink' that I can currently see is the potential for overlapping interests across chapters (here Dave goes spewing on and on about tagging again:-) And yet, I also think that many currently unforeseen kinks can be straightened out with the suggested format.
It is nice to have #5 laid out, yet I suspect from the comradery at this site so far, that most concerns will be resolved before they need to go to the conference call.
#3 is great! The narrative is the glue, or rather the 'binding' that helps make this a beautiful quilt, rather than a patchwork of blocks and scraps that lacks charm.
Hat's off to all involved in the conference call, as well as those who have posted in this thread!
Dave
datruss@gmail.com
ps. Thanks for the links Lilly
(Is there any way to make references hyperlinks in the new format?)
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melaclaro
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| 12/02/2006 11:24 AM |
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As I'm on holiday at the moment, my wife will kill me if she discovers I'm here in the media room accessing a computer. :-(
But, even if just briefly, I'm compelled to add my voice of support for Jon's and the Advisory Board's (is that the right attribution?) approach.
I'm all in! I'll be looking forward to the draft "ground rules" next week.
BTW, isn't the approach of "chapter sections" (I coined the term "chapter-lets") essentially an anthology of essays?
That's yet another reason I like the approach. It's a model that has already been "field-tested" with success in numerous publications. Albeit, we'll perhaps be using a different medium than what has been tried before.
The important thing is that there's ownership throughout. It's nested within the overall book at the chapter levels, then again at the essay-/section-level. And the structure still allows for participation from the community. Granted, that participation has rules attached, but I'd be one for arguing that those rules are appropriate to our objective. Which, the one I think we've settled on is to actually WRITE a (compelling) book and not just to DETERMINE if we can.
Finally, (quickly before she discovers me!) I've been much too quiet before on voicing support for Dave's idea of tagging. But, I think he's right. Especially in light of the statement
"2. We will institute a voting system to allow all members of the community to evaluate sections. As a result, over time we'll end up with highly regarded, and not so highly regarded, sections."
Are the barriers insurmountable for adding a tagging component?
(Ooops, too late, she found me... man, I'm in trouble now...)
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1ofus
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| 12/02/2006 7:48 PM |
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Mel,
Enjoy your holiday - we are in good hands!
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rmykita
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| 12/03/2006 12:59 AM |
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All,
This looks smooth - and I am also excited for details. But first, do we have a legacy writer? An internal, observatory journalist of sorts who is recording this creative process from the beginning? Almost like a corporate secretary, but with creative flair and the intention of, in 10-15 published pages, capturing the sweat, blood, and tears that will go into making this happen?
Would it be beneficial to choose someone who is charged with 'telling the story'?
Here is what I wonder:
Is this the role of the advisory board? They seem so involved at the lowest level, that it may be difficult to assume such an objective, observatory role - and they surely do not have the time.
Is this the role of the ghostwriters? This team surely cannot trace the spirit of this work as it is growing over time - and they definitely will not have the time.
Is this important? Well, these pages (separate chapter?), written by such writer/journalist who has dedicated a full year to intimately understanding the development of the project (reading the forums, conference call participation, chapter moderator updates), could really sell books and make CLEAR what this project is. This is publishable-hype material, the archive of information to create submission-worthy info/articles before, during, and after launch. It is also a basis for future research, case study, etc. and really is our recorded history, most available to others - multiplying the value of our work. Plus, it opens the door for the next project... :)
Do we see a new role here? Please share thoughts!
Ryan Mykita
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alextian
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| 12/03/2006 8:09 AM |
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Each book should have a coordinator or a group of coordinators. Otherwise, the whole editing process will be in a chaos.
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jspector
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| 12/04/2006 11:52 AM |
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Thanks for the continued feedback. We're working on a memo the community that explains the concept we developed in more detail - should be completed before the end of this week (we're targeting Thursday evening).
To rmykita: we just had a discussion of hiring or appointing someone to capture the process. We've been discussing this for a long time but have not had the resources to do anything about it. We are now exploring several possible sources: Pearson may be interested, and the CCI Center at MIT may be assigning a faculty member to study (and in doing so partly document) the process, but this (the MIT approach) may not begin until the next academic semester.
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rmykita
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| 12/04/2006 11:12 PM |
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Jon,
I am interested in taking on a role such as this, if the community sees it necessary - as an independent, interested party who will read, document and articulate the process. Would this be preferable to an academic approach or a sourced approach? Or, maybe I as social entrepreneur could work with your appointment together? Please let me know if this would be helpful, or if I should wait to see community priorities. Thank you,
Ryan Mykita
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cgrujoski
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| 12/07/2006 5:23 PM |
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Based on other comments that this book needs to be profitable (for the charities and the publisher), I think the reader needs to be the general business person, not just the business leader. Just as _Tipping Point_, _Who Moved My Cheese?_ and other books are read by the general public as well as executives, the we are smarter than me project needs to reach as many people as possible.
I would suggest this reader profile:
Professional experience: works in an industry affected by "the emergence of community and social networks" (the wearesmarter.org home page)
Education: a lifelong learner
Goal: to be in the early majority of innovation adopters
Greatest hope for the future: That the web will continue to transform the world
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1ofus
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| 12/17/2006 8:26 PM |
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For the purposes of making it easily accessible to all, I copy hyere the message posted earlier in Getting the Buzz Going.
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In the spirit of starting the open bidding for Chapter Moderators, here is my offer. I volunteer to moderate 3 Chapters:
2. We Can Research It
12. We Can Govern Ourselves
16. We Can Develop Practice of Communities
So, unless and until there are other candidates for Moderators for these 3 Chapters, I will take them forward.
Look out for Calls for Help! I hope to hear from lot of you who have specific points, examples and writing to contribute to each.
Anyone who would like to get in touch with me directly about this, please do so. However, once we start working, all materials and communication should be on this site (or the next migratory site).
In expectation
Lilly Evans
email: lilly.evans@gmail.com
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joe_flum
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| 12/17/2006 8:38 PM |
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I would be willing to take on "Challenge 13: How Do Communities Develop And Maintain The Technologies?"
Hopefully the act of being a moderator won't limit our ability to contribute into the other areas as well. Considering that I would also like to be active in "Chapter 2: We Can Research It". |
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margotsayers
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| 12/25/2006 11:35 PM |
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Much to the annoyance of my husband, I have spent much of Christmas vacation assimilating the project.
If the need still exists, I volunteer to moderate Chapter 11. I think I will be spending quite a bit of time with that and Chapter 16 so I should make myself useful.
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1ofus
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| 12/27/2006 6:31 AM |
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Margot,
Welcome and thank you for volunteering! Your offer is greatly appreciated. You may also want to send a direct email to that effect to our Community Manager Isaac Hazard - deatils under Contact.
Do tell your husband, he is not alone!
Very best New Year to all.
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PG
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| 12/30/2006 5:51 PM |
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Team,
I probably still need to assimilate more about how this project, and its tools, works but in an E-mail exchange with Izaac on December 20th he was asking me about taking this role of moderator for one of the chapter of the book. Unfortunatly I was unable to attend the December 21st conf call where I guess most of the project at its organisation was discussed, howver Izaac told me that the he will be distributing a description of that role the day after (thus December 21st) and will include you on that mailing. I haven't seen this description yet, and thus wtill wondering what kind of "expertise" it may require. Knowing that as others expressed in this thread it should not prevent the moderator to be able to contribute to the content of the book. I'd also like to add that, for what I understand of the "spirit" of this project the community should ensure a proper mix of expertise, gender, business function, and propbably even more important nationality/culsture
Hope it help moving forwards
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datruss
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| 01/06/2007 1:58 PM |
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I put this in the restatemedia site... but I will add it here too.
http://wastm.restatemedia.org/article/Article?id=17
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More from Kathy Sierra
The "Dumbness of Crowds"
http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2007/01/the_dumbness_of.html
(I say more since I mentioned this link from her before: http://wastm.restatemedia.org/article/Article?id=14 )
This is why I really wanted to express early on. For wastm to work we need 'I'ndividuals to write very specific sections.
I've taken a bit of a holiday from this site as well as my school:-) Now as I return I look at things like: Challenge 5: Will Communities Determine Price Points?
....and I think, WHO CARES! Personally this is not interesting to me... will they detrmine price points? Yes and No... it depends, and it always will depend. I foresee 'open source' stuff killing many price points... but I don't think that 'ads by google' will be the only answer to this. Tell me about innovative ways pricepoints are going to be determined or even predict new ways and you've got my ear... But reading an answer to the question above is not interesting (to me).
Challenge 3: How Will Communities Develop Products?
In a large part COMMUNITIES WON"T!
Communities won't develop many products they will develop NEEDS that INDIVIDUALS will meet with new products. The power of community comes from having an instant response to a new product... many people poking, prodding, and playing with a product in unexpected ways, and finding out how that product is lacking and insufficient. This quick and extensive feedback is where the power of community comes in... but then it is one, or two, people that will 'develolp' the product that meets the community needs (Google, Firefox to name a couple off the top of my head- 2 guys and a niche idea).
So how do we make this book work? Let people carve out their own niche...
it's bed time. Again I hope that I am adding value here, but this is the thing, I am not one of the people afraid to post and put in my 2+¢ worth, and yet my interest here is waning. I've always been a 'big picture' guy and I don't see a clear big picture. As the old saying goes- "I can't see the forest through the trees.
Dave.
I hope this encourages discourse rather than discourages intellectual commerce:-) |
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ericdittmar
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| 04/05/2007 4:50 PM |
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The fact that this discussion topic even exists frightens me. I want to echo many of the comments made on this thread by datruss (Dave), and suggest that the amount of structure provided stifles creativity.
I certainly appreciate the amount of effort being poured into the structure of this book/project, but I want to point out that a handful of "organizers" or "administrators" seem to feel compelled to provide that structure. This strikes me as contrary to the spirit of collective effort.
I really don't care much for the chapters of this book. More importantly, I don't see why the book needs chapters at this point. Why can't individuals create their own sections, which are available to be read and edited by anyone? This would allow for far more creativity, and enable the community to take the book in the direction the community felt appropriate.
The NEXT step, to me, would be to begin linking ideas together, and then eventually use these linked ideas to create the structure of the book. Again, I think these efforts should be performed by the community, not a handful of selected individuals.
My two cents. I think this project has a ton of potential, but I think there is too much "old world" thinking currently. |
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barry
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| 04/06/2007 6:45 AM |
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I love and endorse your point of view on this. let us think about how we might make this happen given that it has been asked for before.
Barry |
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